Jack Emmer (00:01):
November 21st, 2025 letter from Chairman Comer to David E. Kendall. December 10th, 2025, letter from David E. Kendall to Chairman Comer and Ranking Member Garcia.
Cheryl Mills (00:12):
You're fine.
Jack Emmer (00:14):
December 15th, 2025, letter from Chairman Comer to David E. Kendall. January 3rd, 2026, letter from David E. Kendall to Chairman Comer and Ranking Member Garcia. January 8th, 2026, letter from Chairman Comer to David E. Kendall. January 12th, 2026, letter from Ashley Callen and David E. Kendall to Chairman Comer. January 13th, 2026, letter from William J. Clinton and Secretary Hillary R. Clinton to Chairman Comer encompassing attached declarations under the penalty of perjury, both President Clinton and Secretary Clinton. January 20th, 2026, letter from Ashley Callen and David E. Kendall to Chairman Comer. January 31st, 2026 letter from Ashley Callen and Katherine M. Turner to Chairman Comer, and February 2nd, 2026 letter from Chairman Comer to Ashley Callen and Katherine M. Turner.
(01:17)
The committee originally noticed the deposition for President Clinton on December 12th, 2025. I will mark that notice as Exhibit 3. I will mark as Exhibit 4 the notice dated December 16th, 2025 for a deposition of President Clinton to occur on January 13th, 2026. President Clinton did not appear for his deposition on January 13th, 2026. I will enter as Exhibit 5 the transcript for the deposition that President Clinton failed to appear for.
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The committee noticed a committee business meeting on January 14th, 2026 to consider the contempt report for President William J. Clinton held on January 21, 2026. I will mark that notice as Exhibit 6. I will mark as Exhibit 7 the contempt report for President William J. Clinton voted favorably out of the committee on oversight and government reform on January 21st, 2026. I will mark as Exhibit 8, the final roll call vote sheet on favorably reporting the contempt report of President William J. Clinton out of the committee on oversight and government reform on January 21st, 2026.
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The committee noticed today's deposition on February 19th, 2026. I will enter the notice for this deposition as Exhibit 9. I will enter as exhibit 10 the email thread between committee on oversight and government reform staff and counsel for President Clinton and Secretary Clinton. The email thread confirms the date, time and location, among other terms of today's deposition. Additionally, this email thread clearly states the agreed upon terms, including but not limited to video recording, no predetermined time limit and scope.
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The agreed upon scope from the email marked as Exhibit 10 is as follows. Pursuant to the committee's investigation into the alleged mismanagement of the federal government's investigation into Mr. Jeffrey Epstein and Ms. Ghislaine Maxwell, the circumstances and subsequent investigations of Mr. Epstein's death, the operation of sex trafficking rings and ways for the federal government to effectively combat them, ways in which Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell sought to curry favor and exercise influence or protect their illegal activities and potential violations of ethics rules related to elected officials.
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The committee will ask President Clinton and Secretary Clinton all of its questions regarding Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, including, but not limited to the personal relationships between the Clintons and Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell and the ways in which Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell sought to curry favor and exercise influence as well as the operation of sex trafficking rings and ways for the federal government to effectively combat them without the proposed limitations on scope sought in your January 31st, 2026 letter. Can the witness please state his name for the record?
William Jefferson Clinton (04:25):
William Jefferson Clinton.
Jack Emmer (04:27):
Thank you. My name is Jack Emmer and I am the chief counsel of investigations for Chairman Comer. Under the committee on oversight and government reforms rules, you are allowed to have counsel present to advise you during this deposition. Do you have counsel representing you in a personal capacity present with you today?
William Jefferson Clinton (04:47):
I do.
Jack Emmer (04:48):
Will counsel please identify themselves for the record?
David Kendall (04:51):
David Kendall, Williams & Connolly, LLP.
Katherine Turner (04:55):
Katherine Turner, Williams & Connolly, LLP.
Cheryl Mills (04:58):
Cheryl Mills, counsel to the president.
Jack Emmer (05:01):
Thank you. Starting with the majority, can members of Congress in attendance please identify themselves for the record?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Billy. [inaudible 00:05:10]
James Comer (05:13):
James Comer, chairman of the committee from Kentucky.
Nancy Mace (05:15):
Congresswoman Nancy Mace, South Carolina.
Eric Burlison (05:18):
Eric Burleson from Missouri.
John McGuire (05:20):
Congressman John McGuire, Virginia Five.
Anna Paulina Luna (05:22):
Congresswoman Ana Paulina Luna from Florida's 13th District.
William Timmons (05:25):
William Timmons, South Carolina.
Glenn Grothman (05:28):
Glenn Grothman, Wisconsin.
Robert Garcia (05:30):
Ranking Member Garcia, California.
Melanie Stansbury (05:33):
Congresswoman Melanie Stansbury, New Mexico.
Suhas Subramanyam (05:36):
Congressman Suhas Subramanyam, Virginia's 11th, 10th.
Emily Randall (05:39):
Congresswoman Emily Randall, Washington State.
Yassamin Ansar (05:42):
Congresswoman Yassamin Ansar, Arizona's 3rd.
Maxwell Frost (05:45):
Congressman Maxwell Frost, Florida's 10th.
Wesley Bell (05:48):
Congressman Wesley Bell, [inaudible 00:05:51].
James Walkinshaw (05:52):
James Walkinshaw, Virginia's 11th District.
Ro Khanna (05:54):
Ro Khanna, California 17th.
Lauren Boebert (05:59):
Lauren Boebert, Colorado's 4th District.
Jack Emmer (06:02):
Thank you. For the record, starting with the majority staff, can the additional staff members please introduce themselves with their name, title, and affiliation?
Billy Grant (06:11):
Billy Grant, deputy chief counsel for investigations for Chairman Comer.
Peter Spectre (06:15):
Peter Spectre, deputy director of oversight for Chairman Comer.
Daniel Ashworth (06:18):
Daniel Ashworth, general counsel for Chairman Comer.
Ryan Giachetti (06:21):
Ryan Giachetti, chief counsel for Chairman Comer.
Will Harness (06:24):
Will Harness, professional staff member for Chairman Comer.
Hannah Cathey (06:27):
Hannah Cathey, professional staff member for Chairman Comer.
Melvin Soto (06:31):
Melvin Soto, digital director for Chairman Comer.
Allison Coleman (06:35):
Allison Coleman, counsel for Chairman Comer.
Emily Feyerabend (06:36):
Emily Feyerabend, counsel for Chairman Comer.
Mark Marin (06:36):
Mark Marin, staff director for Chairman Comer.
Austin Hacker (06:48):
Austin Hacker, communications director for Chairman Comer.
Ashley Ginger (06:50):
Ashley Ginger, deputy staff director for Chairman Comer.
Jack Emmer (07:04):
Thank you, all. President Clinton, before we begin, I would like to go over the ground rules for this deposition. The questioning will proceed in rounds. The majority will ask questions for an hour, and then the minority will have an opportunity to ask questions for an hour if they choose. To the extent members have questions for the witness, they will be propounded during their side's respective rounds. The clock will stop if you need to confer with counsel. Your counsel is speaking and when members or staff are speaking during the opposing side's rounds of questions. We will alternate back and forth until there are no more questions. Do you understand?
William Jefferson Clinton (07:40):
Yes.
Jack Emmer (07:41):
There is a court reporter taking down everything I say and everything you say to make a written record of the interview. For the record, to be clear, please wait until the staffer questioning you finishes each question before you begin your answer, and the staffer will wait until you finish your response before proceeding to the next question. Further, to ensure the court reporter can properly record this deposition, please speak clearly, concisely, and slowly.
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Also, the court reporter cannot record nonverbal answers such as nodding or shaking your head, so it is important that you answer each question with an audible verbal answer. Do you understand?
William Jefferson Clinton (08:18):
I do.
Jack Emmer (08:20):
Exhibits may be entered into the record. Majority exhibits will be identified numerically. Minority exhibits will be identified alphabetically. Do you understand?
William Jefferson Clinton (08:29):
Yes.
Jack Emmer (08:30):
We want you to answer our questions in the most complete and truthful manner possible, so we will take our time. If you have any questions or do not fully understand the question, please let us know. We will attempt to clarify, add context too, or rephrase our questions. If we ask about specific conversations or events in the past and you are unable to recall the exact words or tales, you should testify to the substance of those conversations or events to the best of your recollection. If you recall only a part of a conversation or event, you should give us your best recollection of those events or parts of conversations that you do recall. Do you understand?
William Jefferson Clinton (09:12):
Yes.
Jack Emmer (09:13):
You are required by law to answer questions from Congress truthfully. This also applies to questions posed by congressional staff in this deposition. Do you understand?
William Jefferson Clinton (09:23):
Yes.
Jack Emmer (09:24):
If at any time you knowingly make false statements, you could be subject to criminal prosecution, including but not limited to perjury. Do you understand?
William Jefferson Clinton (09:32):
Yes.
Jack Emmer (09:36):
This includes both knowingly providing false testimony, but also stating that you do not recall or remember something when in fact you do. Do you understand?
William Jefferson Clinton (09:45):
Yes.
Jack Emmer (09:46):
Furthermore, you cannot tell half truths or exclude information necessary to make statements accurate. You are required to provide all information that would make your response truthful. A deliberate failure to disclose information can constitute a false statement. Do you understand?
William Jefferson Clinton (10:03):
I do.
Jack Emmer (10:05):
Is there any reason you are unable to provide truthful testimony in today's interview?
William Jefferson Clinton (10:09):
I don't believe so.
Jack Emmer (10:14):
Please note that if you wish to assert a privilege over any statement today, that assertion must comply with the rules of the [inaudible 00:10:22] oversight and government reform. Pursuant to that, Committee Rule 16C1 states, "For the chair to consider assertions of privilege over testimony or statements, witnesses or entities must clearly state the specific privilege being asserted and the reason for the assertion on or before the scheduled date of testimony or appearance.
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For the purposes of this deposition, objections must be stated concisely and in a non-argumentative or non-suggestive manner. If the witness refuses to answer a question to preserve a privilege, the committee may seek a ruling from the chair. If the chair overrules any such objection, the witness shall be ordered to answer. If the witness continues to refuse to answer a question despite being ordered to do so, the witness may be subject to sanction. Do you understand?
William Jefferson Clinton (11:10):
Yes.
Jack Emmer (11:12):
Ordinarily, we take a five-minute break at the end of each hour of questioning, but if you need a longer break or a break before that, please let us know and we will be happy to accommodate. However, to the extent that there is a pending question, we would ask that you finish answering the question before we take a break. Do you understand?
William Jefferson Clinton (11:30):
Yes.
Jack Emmer (11:32):
Finally, I will note for everyone here today that the contents of what we discuss in the deposition today is confidential under the House Deposition Regulation. Under the rules, the chairman and ranking member shall consult before any release of testimony or transcripts, including portions thereof. This means it is a violation of house and committee rules to disclose the contents of the deposition prior to its official release. For this reason, the marked exhibits that we will use today will remain with the court reporter so that they can go into the official transcript and any copies of those exhibits will be kept at the table or returned to us when we wrap up. Can the reporter please swear in the witness?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Raise your right hand, please. Do you solemnly declare and affirm under the penalty of perjury that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
William Jefferson Clinton (12:27):
I do.
Jack Emmer (12:30):
Do you have any questions before we begin?
William Jefferson Clinton (12:31):
No.
Cheryl Mills (12:32):
I have a comment before we begin, please. Mr. Chairman, I want to start out by saying, as you know yesterday, there was a photo released, and I appreciate you assuring and admonishing to the committee and all of us of our obligations. Obviously, we want to ensure that that doesn't happen again. We've obviously experienced a number of deep fakes that have now been circulating on the web, not because of anything that the committee did, but because of the release of this particular photograph.
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And for that reason, I would ask two things. One, a reminder to all that the obligation to maintain what is occurring in this room occurs, and two, a release of the video of the secretary's testimony as soon as possible, ideally today, which was in 24 hours, and the same for the president so that there are not deep fakes that are representing what is happening here when they actually have not.
James Comer (13:29):
Yeah. And let me say yesterday that was an unfortunate situation.
Cheryl Mills (13:34):
I appreciate it.
James Comer (13:34):
We had probably two things that shouldn't have happened. The release of the photo, as well as a Democrat member communicating with the New York Times. So I will, again, remind everyone to refrain from sending pictures or texting with media outlets outside. Melvin is our videographer and he's doing this today as well as producing the video, so we'll get them out hopefully as soon as possible, hopefully within the next 24 hours.
Cheryl Mills (14:02):
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate that. Nothing more.
Jack Emmer (14:06):
Mr. President, do you wish to provide an opening statement?
William Jefferson Clinton (14:10):
I do. It's brief. First of all, good morning and welcome to all of you to our hometown. I appreciate you coming here. I'm here today, basically, for two reasons. First of all, I love my country and the Constitution, and I believe America was built on the idea that no one is above the law, especially presidents, and that we should all live by the same set of rules shaped with the Constitution. Democracy requires every person to play their part, and I hope that by being here today, we can bring ourselves a little further away from the brink and back to being a country where we can disagree civilly and search for the truth and justice. And if that outweighs the partisan urge, spectacle and point scoring, I will do my part and I hope you'll do yours.
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The second reason I'm here is that the girls and women whose lives Jeffrey Epstein destroyed, deserved not just justice, but healing. They've been waiting too long for both. Through my brief acquaintance with Jeffrey Epstein, though it ended years before his crimes came to light, and though I never witnessed during our limited interactions, any indication of what was going on, I'm here to offer what little I know so I can do my part to prevent something like this from happening again.
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I have to say one personal thing since Hillary came in yesterday, she had nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein, nothing. There's a picture of us both shaking hands with him in a photo line in 1993 at a fundraiser for the White House Historical Association. I don't know how it is under President Trump, but when I was there, it was about the most non-political operation you can imagine.
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There were people who loved the White House who were interested in it, would give a little money every year to do things that needed doing around the house, and nothing nearly as extravagant as the ballroom or any of that, just things that had to be done. And neither she nor I remembered shaking his hand all those years ago.
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So I don't think that was right. On the other hand, I do think you should be talking to me. I think you should have called me. I did take those plane trips with him, and you have a right to ask those questions. So I'm glad to be here and I understand what the oath is. I have to be honest with you. I'll be 80 years old if I lived on my next birthday. I don't remember everything that happened 24 years ago, but I do remember some things, and I will tell you what I remember as best I can.
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We, each of us are the victims, nothing less than the truth and accuracy. We owe that to the American people. And I actually hope that you will be able to come up with some suggestions that will reduce human trafficking and especially focus on underage girls. I hope you'll be able to do that. I know that Hillary talked a little yesterday about what the State Department does and what she pushed on human trafficking and girls. When she was Secretary of State, we had to deal with it. And in my foundation, I saw it in Nigeria when Boko Haram was rampaging through the north of Nigeria and we were working there trying to stop deaths from diarrhea for the young children.
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And it was interesting, these guys were cold and calculated. They said, "Oh, you don't have to leave because of the kids who are helping are younger than the ones we want. They have to be about nine before they're worth anything to us." So this is really important and I will do what I can to make whatever contribution I can. Thank you.
Jack Emmer (19:24):
Thank you. The time reads 11:28 and the majority's time will begin now. Mr. President, thank you for agreeing to testify today and for your years of service to our country. I want to start from the beginning. When did you first meet Jeffrey Epstein?
William Jefferson Clinton (19:55):
Well, I will try in this testimony and I will point it out when I'm aware there's a picture or something that predates this. There's a picture where it shows him shaking hands in the White House Historical Association reception. That was in 1993, but I'm not aware of that. I first remember meeting him when I got on his airplane to take the first trip with my foundation in, I think, 2002, whenever it was.
Jack Emmer (20:38):
And to be clear, do you have any reason to believe that you may have met Mr. Epstein prior to becoming president of the United States?
William Jefferson Clinton (20:48):
Before I became president? No.
Jack Emmer (20:53):
And you mentioned that your first memory of interacting with Mr. Epstein was on your first trip. Which trip specifically?
William Jefferson Clinton (21:06):
I'm not sure which one it was, which one was the first. I took all or parts of four or five trips to Asia and Africa and one to north of Europe on Mr. Epstein's airplane. And once when I was in Florida, I was offered a ride back to New York, but I wasn't there having... and it was just coincidental that he was there. I think that was fairly early in the process. I don't remember exactly. I just know that I did. I took one flight back from Florida to New York and all or part of several other, I think, four or five trips to Africa, Asia, and one to Northern Europe.
Jack Emmer (22:06):
I want to make sure the record is clear. Is it your testimony today that you have no independent recollection whatsoever of the circumstances of when you first met Mr. Epstein?
David Kendall (22:18):
Objection. Asked and answered. You can answer again.
William Jefferson Clinton (22:21):
Yes. I do have a recollection of when I remember meeting him before this trip. I mean, on this trip when I took his plane.
Jack Emmer (22:34):
Mr. President, we're going to discuss more specifics later, but for the record, can you briefly describe the nature and extent of your relationship with Mr. Epstein?
William Jefferson Clinton (22:49):
Well, sometime after I left the White House either in late 2001 or early-ish 2002, I received a call from Larry Summers, who had been on my economic team and was later secretary of treasurer and was then president of Harbor. And he said that he was calling because a man named Jeffrey Epstein who had made a substantial commitment of several million dollars, I think it was 10, but whatever it was, the brain research and that he was a information hungry person and he wanted to spend some time talking to me about economics and politics. And he said he's got this massive airplane and he said he would take you, your staff, your Secret Service detail, and anybody else you wanted to bring on the trips that he knew I was planning to set up a global network to provide lifesaving AIDS medicine to as many people as possible, as quickly as possible."
(24:16)
And I should back up and say, when I left office, we had done all the preliminary work to set up the global funds on HTV malaria, but it was not yet funded. And there were other instruments and institutions who were later founded, including President Bush's PEPFAR program. It had not yet been funded. There were only 200,000 people in the entire developing world who had AIDS medicine, most of them in Brazil, which had a big drug operation on its own, and in Thailand, which also had its own drug population.
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In Africa, there were like 30,000 people or something, just next to no people, and they were done like flies. And I thought we had found a way to drastically drive the price down, and that if we could drive the price down, we could empower people to administer the medicine right, we could save a lot of lives, and I was obsessed with it, and I was being helped by a man named Ira Magaziner who had helped us in the White House in whom I had known since we lived as road scholars together in 1960s. So anyway, that's why when Larry Summers said this, I thought, "Well, this would be great." And so we followed up and took the trips.
Jack Emmer (26:07):
Mr. President, when did your relationship with Mr. Epstein end?
William Jefferson Clinton (26:14):
When did it end? Well, I believe I took my last flight in 2003. Now, later, I became aware of some involvement he had in the first Clinton Global Initiative, but it was much later.
Jack Emmer (26:43):
Why did your relationship with Mr. Epstein end?
William Jefferson Clinton (26:50):
Well, after a year or two, we really picked up ahead of team with this AIDS program and a lot of other people whom I knew better and who really cared about the work came forward and offered to help us provide transportation. And I thought Mr. Epstein was an interesting man, but he... I didn't think he was really interested in what I was doing, but as he asked all these questions, he did ask about economics and politics as he said he would, and he never asked me anything untoward. It's just that I didn't think... I thought I had done what I promised to do and he had done what he promised to do.
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I'd always, over the years, with these donors, trying not to overstay my welcome. I thought that we'd done enough, and then it was time to start working with other people.
Jack Emmer (28:03):
When did you first learn of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes?
William Jefferson Clinton (28:09):
I think in 2008 when he was prosecuted. There was nothing that I saw when I was around him that made me realize he was trafficking women, and I never...
Jack Emmer (28:34):
Let's talk about Ghislaine Maxwell. When did you first meet Ghislaine Maxwell?
William Jefferson Clinton (28:41):
I believe I first met her with him, when she was working with him.
Jack Emmer (28:49):
And what did you understand Ms. Maxwell... And what did you understand her relationship to be with Mr. Epstein?
William Jefferson Clinton (28:57):
I thought she was his chief of staff or administrator.
Jack Emmer (29:05):
And you said that you first met Ms. Maxwell with Mr. Epstein. Is that after you were president?
William Jefferson Clinton (29:16):
Yeah. I don't believe I met her when I was president. I could have. I met a lot of people that I don't remember, but I definitely remember meeting her on that first flight.
Jack Emmer (29:29):
Can you briefly, for the record, describe the nature and extent of your relationship with Ms. Maxwell?
William Jefferson Clinton (29:36):
Yes, it lasted longer and was more extensive than my relationship with Mr. Epstein because Ghislaine Maxwell started going with a man named Ted Waitt, who had made a lot of them money making the first sort of self-designed computers and he was a big supporter of mine and the foundation before he started seeing Glen. We had been friends and he was interested in particularly in reducing pollution in the oceans. And so when she started going with him, I would see her from time to time.
Jack Emmer (30:44):
And when did your relationship with Ms. Maxwell end?
William Jefferson Clinton (30:49):
I don't think I've seen her in a decade. It's been a long time. I don't know exactly when.
Jack Emmer (30:55):
Why did your relationship with Ms. Maxwell end?
William Jefferson Clinton (31:01):
Well, at first she moved to Boston, I think. She had a relationship with a man there and I think they may have married. And so she wasn't so much around. And she... Then when it became... After 2019, when it became... Obviously, she was involved too, to an extent that I did not know that was the end of it.
Jack Emmer (31:43):
And I want to make sure the record is clear. You mentioned that your relationship with Ms. Maxwell was more extensive than that of Mr. Epstein.
William Jefferson Clinton (31:52):
Well, it lasted longer, yes.
Jack Emmer (31:53):
Okay. Do you have any recollection of what year it would've ended?
William Jefferson Clinton (32:00):
No, but when she was with Ted Waitt, she was when we were kicking off CGI. She was very interested in that and she participated, but I don't remember... I don't know. It's been 10, 12 years since I saw her. I don't remember when the last time was.
Jack Emmer (32:26):
Thank you. I am going to ask you some baseline questions regarding who you communicated with and about what. If you don't recall specifics, but do you recall you communicated with them, you should answer yes, but say you do not recall specifics.
David Kendall (32:43):
Counsel, could I just ask, if you're going down a list, your question is, did he communicate with the person yes or no? And then you'll come back if he says yes to ask further?
Jack Emmer (32:52):
Yes.
David Kendall (32:52):
Thank you.
Jack Emmer (32:53):
And I will finish the prompt here too. So the question, Mr. President, have you ever communicated with any of the following people regarding Mr. Jeffrey Epstein or Ms. Ghislaine Maxwell? And for now, you can say yes or no, and we will come back to discuss each one.
Cheryl Mills (33:10):
And this is to the best of his recollection, yeah?
Jack Emmer (33:11):
Correct.
Cheryl Mills (33:12):
Okay. Thanks.
William Jefferson Clinton (33:12):
Okay.
Jack Emmer (33:15):
First, Richard Kahn?
William Jefferson Clinton (33:18):
Richard who?
Jack Emmer (33:18):
Kahn.
William Jefferson Clinton (33:19):
T-O-D-D?
Jack Emmer (33:21):
K-A-H-N.
William Jefferson Clinton (33:25):
I don't know who that is.
Jack Emmer (33:28):
Darren Indyke?
William Jefferson Clinton (33:29):
Indyke?
Jack Emmer (33:33):
Correct.
William Jefferson Clinton (33:34):
I don't know who that is.
Jack Emmer (33:37):
Sarah Kellen?
William Jefferson Clinton (33:40):
I don't know who that is.
Jack Emmer (33:44):
Huma Abedin?
William Jefferson Clinton (33:45):
Yes.
David Kendall (33:48):
Excuse me. Mr. President, the question is, as I understand it, name the people you communicated to about Epstein and Maxwell.
William Jefferson Clinton (33:57):
Oh, obviously I know
William Jefferson Clinton (34:00):
Very well. I don't remember any specific conversations we ever had about Epstein and Maxwell.
Jack Emmer (34:11):
Noam Chomsky?
William Jefferson Clinton (34:13):
No. Mr. Chomsky wasn't a big fan of mine. He thought I was too conservative.
Jack Emmer (34:22):
Lesley Groff.
William Jefferson Clinton (34:26):
Lesley who?
Jack Emmer (34:27):
Groff.
William Jefferson Clinton (34:29):
I'm sorry. I don't know who that is.
Jack Emmer (34:33):
Nada Marcinkova.
William Jefferson Clinton (34:33):
I don't know who that is.
Jack Emmer (34:39):
Jean-Luc Brunel?
William Jefferson Clinton (34:42):
I don't know who that is. I don't believe.
Jack Emmer (34:44):
Alan Dershowitz.
William Jefferson Clinton (34:46):
I know him. And I'm not aware that we ever talked about Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell. I don't believe we did.
Jack Emmer (35:05):
Reid Hoffman.
William Jefferson Clinton (35:07):
I know Reid Hoffman, but he never talked to me about Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell.
Jack Emmer (35:16):
Karyna Shuliak.
William Jefferson Clinton (35:19):
I don't believe I know who that is. I don't think I've ever met that person.
Jack Emmer (35:27):
Woody Allen.
William Jefferson Clinton (35:30):
I do know who he is, but I don't think I ever met him and I never talked to him about Epstein or Maxwell.
Jack Emmer (35:38):
Sandy Berger?
William Jefferson Clinton (35:41):
Sandy Berger was my national security advisor. And we were very close personally, but he's been dead for several years. And I don't think I ever talked to him about either one of those people.
Jack Emmer (35:57):
Jes Staley?
William Jefferson Clinton (35:59):
Jes Staley?
Jack Emmer (36:01):
Correct.
William Jefferson Clinton (36:03):
No.
Jack Emmer (36:08):
Paul Morris?
William Jefferson Clinton (36:08):
I don't believe I know him.
Jack Emmer (36:08):
LED Rothschild?
William Jefferson Clinton (36:17):
Who Rothschild?
Jack Emmer (36:17):
LED Rothschild?
William Jefferson Clinton (36:26):
LED. I know Evelyn Rothschild. Is that who it is?
Jack Emmer (36:35):
No. And I have other Rothschild on this list as well.
William Jefferson Clinton (36:38):
I'm not sure who LED Rothschild. I've met a bunch of them when I spoke at the funeral for Evelyn Rothschild and I had met some of the others, the one couple in France once, 20 years ago, but I don't remember him.
Jack Emmer (36:59):
Okay. Lynn Forester or Rothschild?
William Jefferson Clinton (37:02):
Yes. I know her, but I don't remember ever discussing Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell with her.
Jack Emmer (37:14):
Glenn Dubin.
William Jefferson Clinton (37:17):
I don't believe I know him.
Jack Emmer (37:21):
Eva Andersson?
William Jefferson Clinton (37:23):
I don't believe I know her.
Jack Emmer (37:25):
Casey Wasserman.
William Jefferson Clinton (37:28):
I know him. And he was on a trip to Africa with me, but I don't recall ever discussing either Ghislaine Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein with him.
Jack Emmer (37:53):
Ira Magaziner?
William Jefferson Clinton (37:55):
Yes. I think I mentioned him earlier.
(37:58)
He was the person who basically helped me start the AIDS program and he ran the Clinton Health Access Initiative for many years. He retired a couple of years ago, a few years ago. But I don't remember ever discussing either Epstein or Rothschild with him, I mean, or Maxwell with him.
Jack Emmer (38:26):
Karen Ewing?
William Jefferson Clinton (38:29):
No.
Jack Emmer (38:30):
Stacy Plaskett.
William Jefferson Clinton (38:35):
Stacy Plaskett is the member of Congress from the Virgin Islands, isn't she?
Jack Emmer (38:40):
Correct.
William Jefferson Clinton (38:42):
I know her, but I don't recall ever discussing Epstein or Maxwell.
Jack Emmer (38:50):
Howard Lutnick?
William Jefferson Clinton (38:53):
Howard Lutnick is the Secretary of Commerce, right?
Jack Emmer (38:56):
Correct.
William Jefferson Clinton (39:03):
I know him and from 9/11, and because Hillary worked with his company and helped him to get going again. And I know he's now President Trump's Secretary of Commerce, but I don't remember ever having any conversation with him about Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell.
Jack Emmer (39:29):
Doug Band.
William Jefferson Clinton (39:31):
He worked for me for years. And I know that he arranged airplane flights and things like that, and was doing work on the first Clinton Global Initiative in 2005. And I know that he knew both Epstein and Maxwell. I do not know to what extent he was in contact with them. And I've heard things in the last thing I didn't have any idea of 24 years ago. So you'd have to be more specific. If you want to know if I knew something then, I can tell you as best I can, but I...
Jack Emmer (40:17):
We'll go back.
William Jefferson Clinton (40:19):
He worked for me and I knew some of what he was doing and I didn't know some of what he was doing.
Jack Emmer (40:25):
Thank you. And we will return to Mr. Band. Louis Freeh or Louis Freeh?
William Jefferson Clinton (40:33):
I do know him. To the best of my knowledge, I didn't have any conversation with him about anything practically, but I certainly didn't talk to him about this.
Jack Emmer (40:53):
Robert Rubin.
William Jefferson Clinton (40:57):
Bob Rubin was Larry Summers' predecessor as treasury secretary, and the first director of the National Economic Council. But I don't even know if he knew Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell. I had no conversation with him about it.
Jack Emmer (41:19):
And for now, Mr. President, you can answer it yes or no.
William Jefferson Clinton (41:22):
Okay.
Cheryl Mills (41:22):
And the yes or no is intended to convey whether or not you had a conversation about Elaine Maxwell or Jeffrey.
William Jefferson Clinton (41:30):
Right. So the answer to Rubin is no.
Jack Emmer (41:33):
Larry Summers.
William Jefferson Clinton (41:35):
Yes.
Jack Emmer (41:38):
Pete Rathgeb.
William Jefferson Clinton (41:41):
Pete who?
Jack Emmer (41:42):
Rathgeb.
William Jefferson Clinton (41:46):
Rathko? R-A-T-H-K-O.
Jack Emmer (41:47):
R-A-T-H-G-E-B.
William Jefferson Clinton (41:50):
Oh, Rathgeb. I don't recall that name.
Jack Emmer (41:53):
John Podesta.
William Jefferson Clinton (41:59):
I don't believe I ever had a talk with John about it. I did stay in touch with John Podesta after I left the White House and I consider him a friend, but I don't believe we ever discussed Epstein or Maxwell
Jack Emmer (42:12):
Andrew Friendly?
William Jefferson Clinton (42:17):
No, he was one of my, what you call body men at the White House. And we've stayed in touch over the years, but I don't remember discussing Epstein or Maxwell with him.
Jack Emmer (42:28):
Kathryn Ruemmler?
William Jefferson Clinton (42:31):
Kathey Ruemmler is a lawyer who has done some on occasion, some help for the foundation. I don't believe I ever discussed Maxwell or Epstein with her, but I can't be sure, but I don't remember doing it.
Cheryl Mills (42:50):
Mr. President, they're only asking you what you can remember.
William Jefferson Clinton (42:52):
What?
Cheryl Mills (42:53):
They're only asking you what you can remember.
Jack Emmer (42:56):
Mark Middleton.
William Jefferson Clinton (43:00):
I did not. And he sadly is dead now.
Jack Emmer (43:09):
Bill Richardson.
William Jefferson Clinton (43:11):
No. He's dead too now, sadly, but I didn't know about his relationship with Epstein.
Jack Emmer (43:25):
George Mitchell.
William Jefferson Clinton (43:28):
No.
Jack Emmer (43:29):
Bill Gates?
William Jefferson Clinton (43:32):
No.
Jack Emmer (43:33):
Leon Black?
William Jefferson Clinton (43:39):
No.
Jack Emmer (43:40):
Ehud Barak?
William Jefferson Clinton (43:40):
No.
Jack Emmer (43:41):
Tony Blair?
William Jefferson Clinton (43:43):
No.
Jack Emmer (43:46):
Andrew Mountbatten Windsor?
William Jefferson Clinton (43:52):
I knew that he knew... At some point, I knew that he knew Ghislaine Maxwell, but I did not know... I don't think that he knew Epstein.
Jack Emmer (44:12):
So is that a yes that you had communications with him?
William Jefferson Clinton (44:16):
No, we never had any ...
Cheryl Mills (44:19):
Is your question communications about Epstein and Maxwell?
Jack Emmer (44:22):
Correct.
Cheryl Mills (44:24):
Just generally as a conversation like you're together?
Jack Emmer (44:26):
Yes.
Cheryl Mills (44:27):
Can you just elaborate more so he can better answer your question?
Jack Emmer (44:30):
Mr. President, did you ever have any communications with Prince Andrew related to Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell?
William Jefferson Clinton (44:41):
The direct answer to your question is no, but I don't want to mislead you. I know that because of my friendship with Evelyn and Lynn Rothschild and because the former Prince was around them, and they knew Ghislaine Maxwell from Britain and through her father, her late father, there may have been some conversation there. I don't remember it, but I don't want to mislead you. I knew something that...
Jack Emmer (45:24):
Thank you.
Cheryl Mills (45:24):
Your question, because it's so broad, means that any social engagement that you might have would be captured. So I think what he's trying to distinguish between is what you're trying to learn and just social engagement.
Jack Emmer (45:34):
Yes.
William Jefferson Clinton (45:35):
If I had a social engagement with Andrew.
Jack Emmer (45:38):
Related to Mr. Epstein.
William Jefferson Clinton (45:40):
Not related to him, no.
Jack Emmer (45:41):
Thank you. Peter Mandelson.
William Jefferson Clinton (45:44):
No.
Jack Emmer (45:47):
Mohammed bin Salman.
William Jefferson Clinton (45:51):
No.
Jack Emmer (45:53):
Larry Page?
William Jefferson Clinton (45:56):
No.
Jack Emmer (45:57):
Sergey Bryn?
William Jefferson Clinton (45:58):
No.
Jack Emmer (46:02):
So let's talk about Larry Summers. You mentioned that you had communications with him related to Maxwell and Epstein. What were the nature of those two?
Cheryl Mills (46:11):
For the record, he said with Epstein, just him.
William Jefferson Clinton (46:15):
Just Epstein.
Jack Emmer (46:16):
Just Epstein. Thank you. You mentioned that you had communications with Larry Summers related to Mr. Epstein. Can you describe the nature of those communications?
William Jefferson Clinton (46:27):
Yes. As I said before, he called me on the phone. He knew what I was trying to do with his AIDS work and how important it was to me. And he said he had just talked to Jeffrey Epstein, who he's described as a successful investment advisor, who made a lot of money and had made a large commitment to Harvard to bring research.
(46:59)
And he said "He wants to talk to you about politics and economics," and he says, "If you will take an hour on the longer legs of these trips he knows you're going to make to Africa and Asia, to talk to him about it, that he will fly you on his airplane and your staff and your Secret Service detail and any other people you want to take who are supporting your work."
Jack Emmer (47:32):
And you mentioned these communications related to the work of your foundation. Did you ever have any other communications with Larry Summers related to Mr. Epstein?
William Jefferson Clinton (47:41):
No.
Jack Emmer (47:42):
So for the record, you never discussed anything related to Mr. Epstein and young women or girls?
William Jefferson Clinton (47:49):
Absolutely not.
Jack Emmer (47:55):
Mr. President, for the record, have you ever been contacted by any law enforcement agency concerning Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell?
William Jefferson Clinton (48:10):
As far as I know, no. That is as far as I remember. Back in 2008, I sort of thought somebody might ask me something because I...
(48:25)
And I was glad this had come out since it had happened, but I don't believe anybody ever did.
Jack Emmer (48:33):
You mentioned that you thought someone would want to ask you something. Can you elaborate on what that means?
William Jefferson Clinton (48:39):
Just because he let me use his airplane.
Jack Emmer (48:45):
And to be clear, have you ever provided any information to any law enforcement agency concerning Jeffrey Epstein or Ms. Ghislaine Maxwell?
Cheryl Mills (48:58):
You asked this question before, you're just asking him to reiterate the response to the question that he previously asked you, Mr. President.
William Jefferson Clinton (49:05):
I don't... I don't believe any law enforcement agency has ever asked me, and I don't... I didn't know enough to volunteer anything.
Jack Emmer (49:15):
Mr. President, are you aware of any efforts by anyone, including an attorney, process server, investigator, or any other person to contact you regarding any civil lawsuit, claim, or litigation involving Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell?
William Jefferson Clinton (49:32):
Not that I recall.
Jack Emmer (49:35):
Did Jeffrey Epstein ever inform or represent to you that he was working with any intelligence service of any nation, including the United States?
William Jefferson Clinton (49:45):
No.
Jack Emmer (49:46):
Did Ghislaine Maxwell ever inform or represent to you that she was working with any intelligence service of any nation, including the United States?
William Jefferson Clinton (49:55):
No.
Jack Emmer (49:56):
And during your relationship, did you ever suspect Epstein or Maxwell of being affiliated with any intelligence agency?
William Jefferson Clinton (50:05):
I did not.
Jack Emmer (50:08):
Thank you.
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I want to talk about your time in the White House. I realize that you have testified your recollection is limited, but did Mr. Epstein ever visit the White House while you were president?
congresswoman (50:29):
Objection. Asked and answered.
William Jefferson Clinton (50:33):
The records reflect that he did.
congresswoman (50:35):
That's not the question.
Jack Emmer (50:37):
According to FOIA requests to the Clinton Library, Mr. Epstein visited the White House at least 17 times between 1993 and 1995. Do you have any reason to dispute those numbers?
William Jefferson Clinton (50:49):
Nope. I don't.
Jack Emmer (50:55):
Do you know what the nature of Mr. Epstein's visits to the White House were?
Cheryl Mills (51:02):
Are you asking what he knew in preparation for today? Can you clarify what you are seeking to learn?
William Jefferson Clinton (51:09):
First of all, at the time, I had no idea he was coming and going. Huge numbers of people come and go in the White House. A lot of them come well over once, especially if they're lobbyists, for example. But I didn't know he was coming, so I certainly didn't know what he was coming about.
Jack Emmer (51:34):
Mr. President, after you left office, did you or your staff ever conduct a review of records, documents, or other materials related to Mr. Epstein's connections to your White House?
congresswoman (51:49):
You're exempting, counsel. You can respond to that, but don't say anything about what you talked to your lawyers about. You can respond to his question.
Cheryl Mills (51:59):
Do you need the question again?
William Jefferson Clinton (52:01):
Yeah. I don't even understand. You mean, did we look into what he did in the White House after I left office?
Jack Emmer (52:07):
Mr. President, one of the concerns of the committee is how Mr. Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell attempted or potentially attempted to curry favor with influential figures.
(52:16)
My question was, after he left office, did you or your staff ever conduct a review of records related to Mr. Epstein's connections to your White House?
William Jefferson Clinton (52:27):
To the best of my knowledge, no.
Jack Emmer (52:34):
At this time, I would like to introduce will be marked as Majority Exhibit 11.
(52:42)
And while it's being passed out, I will note for the record, this is a New York Times article entitled The Untold Story of How Jeffrey Epstein Got Rich, published on December 16th, 2025. And when you receive the article, I want to direct your attention to the last paragraph of page 31.
Cheryl Mills (53:08):
The last paragraph of which page?
Jack Emmer (53:09):
31.
(53:14)
And when you are ready, I will also read it into the record.
(53:17)
( silence)
(54:05)
Again, we are looking at page 31 in the last paragraph, and I will read it into the record and ask you a few questions.
Cheryl Mills (54:17):
Please give him a moment to read this.
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( silence)
William Jefferson Clinton (54:59):
I see this.
Cheryl Mills (55:01):
This is the paragraph he wants.
Jack Emmer (55:03):
Mr. President, the article reads, "By 1995, Clinton and Epstein were sufficiently chummy that he wrote a get well soon note to Epstein's ailing mother. "Hang in there," the president scrawled on a yellow post-it, which Epstein saved and we reviewed."
(55:22)
Mr. President, did you write this note?
Cheryl Mills (55:26):
Are you asking if he recalls writing this note from 1995 on a post-it?
Jack Emmer (55:31):
Correct.
Cheryl Mills (55:31):
Okay, thanks.
William Jefferson Clinton (55:32):
It looks like my handwriting, but I don't recall, but I will tell you this.
(55:40)
I have written get well notes to lots of people I did not know, and had never met.
Jack Emmer (55:47):
And you answered my next question. Did you ever meet Jeffrey Epstein's mother or any of his family members?
William Jefferson Clinton (55:57):
No, I'm not sure that I was asked to do this by Jeffrey Epstein.
Jack Emmer (56:03):
And I want to focus specifically on the article's characterization. It says that you were chummy with Mr. Epstein in 1995. Is that accurate?
congresswoman (56:13):
I'm going to object to that characterization. It's hearsay. President may answer.
William Jefferson Clinton (56:18):
No. I was surprised by that.
Jack Emmer (56:30):
Let's talk about your relationship with Mr. Epstein after you left the White House.
William Jefferson Clinton (56:35):
Okay.
Jack Emmer (56:35):
How would you characterize your relationship with Mr. Epstein?
William Jefferson Clinton (56:45):
During the time I was... It was cordial.
Jack Emmer (56:51):
At any time, would you characterize Mr. Epstein as a friend?
William Jefferson Clinton (56:57):
We were friendly, but I didn't know him well enough to be saying we were friends.
Jack Emmer (57:02):
How often did you communicate with Mr. Epstein?
William Jefferson Clinton (57:08):
Usually only on the trips. I did go to his house once, as you know.
Jack Emmer (57:15):
And we will discuss that further later on today. And how did you typically communicate with Mr. Epstein? Did you talk to him on the phone?
Cheryl Mills (57:25):
Excuse me. He just said he talked to him on the trips, so that's in person.
William Jefferson Clinton (57:29):
Typically, my staff communicated with him. I think it was mostly Mr. Band, but somebody talked to him.
Jack Emmer (57:40):
And you mentioned that you visited one of his properties, but outside of the work on the foundation and your trips, how many times did you meet, in-person, with Mr. Epstein?
Cheryl Mills (57:55):
You're asking him to the best of his recollection?
William Jefferson Clinton (57:57):
Outside of the trips, I believe he came to the office once in Harlem. I was still housed up there then, and I think he paid a brief visit to the office, and I paid a brief visit to his house, but... I once thought he was there, but now that I think about it, I don't think he was, and that was it.
(58:32)
I mean, I didn't ...
(58:36)
That's what I remember.
Jack Emmer (58:38):
And you mentioned you visited Mr. Epstein's house. Are you referring to his New York townhouse?
William Jefferson Clinton (58:44):
Yes.
Jack Emmer (58:45):
In your communications with Mr. Epstein, did you ever have any communications that were not related to the foundation?
William Jefferson Clinton (59:00):
I don't... I don't believe we ever talked about anything, but the work we were doing, I mean, maybe small talk, I can't imagine. I don't remember the conversations.
Jack Emmer (59:10):
And for the record, before we move on, did you ever have any communications with Mr. Epstein that related to young women or girls?
William Jefferson Clinton (59:20):
No.
Cheryl Mills (59:26):
Excuse me. Do you have your...
(59:28)
Fantastic. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (59:30):
Am I good?
Jack Emmer (59:40):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 3 (59:42):
Good morning, Mr. President. How are you?
William Jefferson Clinton (59:43):
I'm fine.
Speaker 3 (59:46):
I want to first start out by asking you, have you ever been or traveled on... Or has Huma Abedin ever traveled on Epstein's plane?
Jack Emmer (59:58):
If you know.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:00:02):
I don't know. She might have taken one of the trips with us, but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Okay. So have you flown on a plane with her?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:00:10):
Oh, several times.
Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Several times?
Cheryl Mills (01:00:12):
Can you say have you flown on a plane, any plane?
Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
The Lolita Express.
Cheryl Mills (01:00:17):
What is that?
(01:00:17)
When you say that?
Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Have you flown on the Lolita Express with Jeff Epstein?
congresswoman (01:00:21):
Objection.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:00:22):
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Have you flown on Jeffrey Epstein's plane with Huma Abedin?
congresswoman (01:00:30):
Asked and answered. You may answer again.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:00:31):
I don't ... I don't remember, but it's ... But I have flown ... She's been sort of a part of our family for a very long time, so I... When I went to the Middle East, which I don't think I ever took a plane ride with Jeffrey Epstein, but she would typically go when I did.
Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
So have you traveled with both of them together?
congresswoman (01:00:54):
Excuse me, both of whom, Congresswoman?
Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Of course. Have you traveled with Jeffrey Epstein and Huma Abedin together?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:01:03):
I do not know.
Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Okay. Thank you.
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If the staff can please pass out EFTA 0021628, and the rest of the documents I have them print regarding passports to the president and counsel.
Jack Emmer (01:01:24):
This will be Exhibit 12.
Cheryl Mills (01:01:26):
Thank you. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Mr. President, if you look at the passport page, the bottom of the document should show the EFTA number. It's 00021628.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:01:55):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
There's a name on there. Would you be able to read that name to me?
Cheryl Mills (01:01:59):
Can you read the name?
congresswoman (01:02:00):
Excuse me, Congresswoman. Will you ask me if I have ever seen the document before?
Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Yes. Well, this is evidence, and so I wanted to ask him specifically, so it's from the DOJ document release, right?
congresswoman (01:02:09):
I understand, but he may not have seen it or he may have seen it.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:02:12):
No, I've never seen it, but it looks like a passport.
Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Okay. Can you tell me the name that's listed on the passport?
Cheryl Mills (01:02:20):
Excuse me. He's never seen this document. Would you just read the name please?
Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Yes. The name is Marius Robert.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:02:26):
Marius Robert, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Are you familiar with that name at all?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:02:30):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Okay. Would you be able to identify the individual in the photo?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:02:37):
It looks like Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Okay. The reason I ask you about this specifically is because I do believe that Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence operative, and so this was a passport that was actually entered and released by the Department of Justice, but this was an FBI filing that was found in his safe, if you will. So it's an alias.
(01:02:56)
The reason I ask you that is because given your nature and position, I'm wondering if you were essentially targeted by a honeypot operation, and/or by intelligence to gather information.
(01:03:08)
So that's why I asked you that question.
congresswoman (01:03:10):
[inaudible 01:03:11] is not a question pending.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:03:11):
Is there a question?
congresswoman (01:03:11):
No. You can ask a question.
Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Well, I'll be getting to more, but that's the reason I ask that.
(01:03:18)
Okay. My next question for you is, have you ever had contact with an individual by the name of Shante Davies?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:03:30):
I believe Shante was... That's a distinctive name. So I think that was the name of one of his flight attendants.
Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Okay. She's been described on being on a 2002 Africa trip and providing massages. Was she or any other young female on that trip underage at that time?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:03:45):
Not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Okay. Did you ever receive a massage or have physical contact from her or anyone else on that trip?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:03:56):
You've seen the pictures. There was one time when I was sitting up and I got a back rub, a neck rub.
Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Okay.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:04:04):
And I think Shante did it, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Okay. Did you ever visit Epstein's Little St. James Island?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:04:13):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
We have Virginia Giuffre who has testified seeing you on the island with two young girls.
(01:04:19)
Did this occur at all?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:04:21):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Okay. Why do you think she would've made that claim?
congresswoman (01:04:24):
Objection. Speculation. He can't possibly...
Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Have you ever met her, any other Epstein-associated underage girl?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:04:33):
Not to my knowledge.
Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Okay. In Epstein's 2016 deposition unsealed in the TOJ files, he refused to answer if you were accompanied by two young women who are approximately 18 years old on the island. Were any such women potentially underage with you? I know you've stated that you were not there, but did you have any interaction with the set of people?
congresswoman (01:04:56):
Objection to the foundation of the question. He's already stated he was not on the island. You're now asking about a claim of the Fifth Amendment by Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Okay. Would the staff be able...
Jack Emmer (01:05:05):
If the witness doesn't know, the witness is welcome to say he doesn't know.
Cheryl Mills (01:05:08):
No, but he actually answered the question. He answered questions that wasn't on the island, so then she was asked.
Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Okay. Do you know an individual by the name of Sarah Ransome?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:05:19):
I don't believe so.
Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Okay. There have obviously been claims made about you, and I do not believe that these claims are credible.
(01:05:31)
The reason I am asking you specifically about that name is because that individual stated that you were in sex tapes, okay? It was unfounded and it was discredited.
(01:05:42)
But given the politicization of this entire investigation, do you believe that it would be appropriate of members of this committee to bring in witnesses, whether it is about you or another president, that have unfounded allegations regarding sexual claims of misconduct?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:06:01):
That's not a decision for me to make.
Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
As a recommendation in regards to avoiding trafficking, et cetera, and bringing justice for the victims, would you make that recommendation to this committee?
congresswoman (01:06:13):
Just so I understand the question, you're saying if the witness has unfounded claims?
Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Well, I don't believe that Sarah Ransome's claims about the president are founded. I don't believe that there's sex tapes with you, President Clinton.
congresswoman (01:06:24):
No, I'm just asking about your question. You're not asking if somebody with plausible claims should be brought in. You're asking if somebody with implausible, unfounded claims?
Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Correct, because these claims were found to be unfounded by investigators.
Cheryl Mills (01:06:38):
So are you asking his opinion?
Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Yes, because we are trying to figure out in regards to being able to further this investigation and whether or not we are going to be interviewing other individuals regarding sex trafficking, avoiding in the future. I know that you and your wife have both been big on this issue.
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So I'm asking you, would you think that it would be appropriate that this committee bring in someone like Sarah Ransome who has unfounded claims that have been debunked in this investigation? It's a simple question.
Cheryl Mills (01:07:05):
He answered this question when you first asked it then when he said that it wasn't for him to make those decisions.
Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Well, I'm asking for his recommendation to the committee in follow up. It's not a gotcha question. This is obviously a very serious investigation.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:07:20):
Well, first of all, I recommend that you have on your staff a prosecutor who's had a lot of experience in this dealing with these cases.
(01:07:35)
Normally, it's not a good idea to bring in a witness that you know is lying.
Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Okay. Thank you for that. My last questions for you are, are you familiar with anyone by the name of Adriana Ross?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:07:50):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
How about Sarah Kellen?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:07:53):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Okay. Would you recommend that this committee bring in individuals that were listed
Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
... listed as trafficking minors. They were listed as co-conspirators and then given plea deals.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:08:10):
I don't know enough about it, but I think you should do whatever you think will strengthen the ability of the United States not to have this happen again.
Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Okay. Is it possible, and in your opinion, that you and/or your wife were targeted as a means of an intelligence gathering operation-
Speaker 6 (01:08:31):
Object the form of the question.
Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
... by Jeffery Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell?
Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
Object to the form of the question. No objection to if he knows that they were targeted.
Speaker 8 (01:08:39):
I believe that's what she asked.
Speaker 6 (01:08:40):
No, she said is it possible.
Speaker 5 (01:08:41):
No, she said is it possible. So, she's asking him to speculate instead of asking him, does he know?
Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Do you know if you were targeted at any point?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:08:49):
I don't, but-
Jack Emmer (01:08:50):
Okay.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:08:52):
I don't. I'd sort of be surprised, but I'm not. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Okay. All right, Chairman Comer, I think that yields my time. I just want to say thank you very much, President Clinton, for coming in. And I do understand that this has been politicized, but again, I will state on record, and I will state this to the press, that I don't believe that Sarah Kellen's claims against you were valid.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:09:14):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Thank you.
Jack Emmer (01:09:25):
Mr. President, before we left off, I asked you to characterize your relationship with Mr. Epstein. I asked you if you considered him to be a friend. You said you did not. Is that right?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:09:36):
I said we were friendly and we had a cordial relations, but I didn't know him well enough because we had almost no contact beyond what I described.
Jack Emmer (01:09:46):
At this time, I'd like to introduce what'll be marked as Majority Exhibit 13. And this is Bates marked House Oversight 000126. And while it's being passed out, this is a letter from a book of letters which was compiled-
William Jefferson Clinton (01:10:03):
Yeah, it's his 50th birthday.
Jack Emmer (01:10:04):
Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday.
Speaker 6 (01:10:06):
Wait for the questions.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:10:06):
Yeah.
Jack Emmer (01:10:10):
Mr. President, do you recognize this letter?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:10:12):
I do.
Jack Emmer (01:10:14):
And for the record, does this appear to be your handwriting and signature?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:10:16):
It is.
Jack Emmer (01:10:16):
And why did you write this letter?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:10:22):
Why did I? Because I was requested to contribute a nice letter for his birthday book.
Jack Emmer (01:10:30):
And who asked you to write the letter?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:10:34):
I have no... I don't remember.
Jack Emmer (01:10:36):
Would Ms. Maxwell have asked you?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:10:38):
I don't know. I think someone on my staff asked me.
Jack Emmer (01:10:42):
Now, there's a word that our committee has not been able to identify, and in our defense, The Wall Street Journal has not been able to identify.
Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
Imagine being on his staff.
Jack Emmer (01:10:54):
Can you please read the letter for the record?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:10:59):
Yes. " It's reassuring, isn't it, to have lasted so long, across all the years of learning and knowing, adventures and errors, and still to have your childlike curiosity, the drive to make a difference and the solace of friends." Not a bad letter.
Jack Emmer (01:11:22):
And because we haven't been able to identify that word until now, what did you-
Speaker 5 (01:11:27):
Which word was it that you could not-
William Jefferson Clinton (01:11:28):
Solace? You couldn't-
Jack Emmer (01:11:30):
No, no, errors.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:11:32):
Errors. What do I mean? Anybody who's lived 50 years and done anything has made mistakes as well as progress and done things.
Jack Emmer (01:11:43):
But for the record, you weren't referring to errors in judgment that Mr. Epstein had, related to his inappropriate activities involving young girls?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:11:52):
Absolutely not. I knew nothing about that.
Jack Emmer (01:11:59):
Did you ever see the birthday book compiled together?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:12:02):
I don't think so.
Jack Emmer (01:12:06):
And you mentioned previously you were friendly with Mr. Epstein. Did you typically send birthday wishes to individuals that you didn't consider to be friends though?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:12:21):
No, I send out literally hundreds and hundreds of birthday letters every year to people that have been my friends. But if somebody's doing a special... I've sent birthday letters of congratulations to people I've met two or three times for their 70th birthday, their 80th birthday, their 50th wedding anniversary.
Jack Emmer (01:12:45):
Okay.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:12:45):
I do it. And I've found, I've told you, I thought Epstein was interesting and curious, so I wrote a letter that I thought reflected that.
Jack Emmer (01:12:56):
Can you elaborate on what made him "interesting and curious"?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:13:00):
No more than I've already said.
Jack Emmer (01:13:03):
At this time, I'd like to introduce what'll be marked as Majority Exhibit 14. And while it's being handed out, this is an article published by The New York Times on August 5th, 2025, entitled A Look Inside Epstein's Manhattan Lair. And once you receive the article, I will just direct your attention to page 10.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:13:25):
Where is that?
Speaker 5 (01:13:27):
No, they haven't brought it yet.
Speaker 6 (01:13:35):
It's coming round.
Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
Thank you very much, Peter.
Jack Emmer (01:13:44):
And we're specifically looking at a framed photo on a wooden table alongside multiple other framed photos. And we're focusing on the photo in the middle, which appears to have a golden frame.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:13:56):
Where is that?
Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
[inaudible 01:14:02]. Right there.
Speaker 10 (01:14:12):
Not the page with the poke.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:14:12):
Yeah, okay, I see it.
Speaker 7 (01:14:12):
Page 10. Is that what we're on?
Jack Emmer (01:14:16):
Page 10.
Speaker 7 (01:14:16):
Mm-hmm.
Jack Emmer (01:14:20):
Mr. President, do you recognize yourself in this photo?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:14:23):
I do.
Jack Emmer (01:14:24):
And it appears that the man on the right of the photo is Jeffrey Epstein. Is that correct?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:14:29):
I think so.
Jack Emmer (01:14:30):
Have you seen this photograph before today?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:14:34):
Only in this picture.
Jack Emmer (01:14:37):
And for the record, what is happening in this photo?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:14:41):
He's smiling at me. He looks like he's talking to me.
Jack Emmer (01:14:45):
This is one of the friendly interactions that you were describing earlier?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:14:49):
Yes.
Jack Emmer (01:14:50):
And can you describe the circumstances surrounding this photo?
Speaker 5 (01:14:53):
Are you asking if he recalls the-
William Jefferson Clinton (01:14:55):
I do not. I have no idea. I see Richard Branson in the back and other people.
Jack Emmer (01:15:04):
Okay, that's fine.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:15:08):
But I don't remember anything about it.
Jack Emmer (01:15:10):
And you appear to be comfortable with Mr. Epstein in this photo, would you disagree with that characterization?
Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
So, you are creating a characterization. He's already responded to your question about the picture.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:15:22):
I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable here. I'm not happy, but I'm comfortable. And my conscience is clear, that helps.
(01:15:36)
Is that... Let me see it. Okay.
Jack Emmer (01:16:13):
Mr. President, we have about five minutes remaining in the Majority's first hour, so I just want to ask you some questions related to the crimes committed by Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell. Did you ever witness Mr. Epstein sexually abuse or assault young women or girls?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:16:34):
No.
Jack Emmer (01:16:35):
Did you ever witness Mr. Epstein receive massages from young women or girls?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:16:40):
Not that I recall.
Jack Emmer (01:16:43):
Did Mr. Epstein ever discuss sexual acts of any kind with you?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:16:47):
No.
Jack Emmer (01:16:51):
Did you ever have any sexual contact with young women or girls in the presence of Epstein or Maxwell?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:16:59):
No.
Jack Emmer (01:17:02):
Did you ever have sexual contact with any young woman or girl introduced to you by Epstein or Maxwell?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:17:09):
No.
Jack Emmer (01:17:14):
Mr. President, with the benefit of hindsight, were there things you witnessed that could have suggested that Epstein was trafficking and sexually abusing young women and girls?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:17:34):
I do not believe so.
Jack Emmer (01:17:40):
We will go off the record.
Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
We can go back on the record. Mr. President, good morning.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:17:56):
Good morning.
Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
My name is... And I'll be doing most of the questioning for the Minority today. First, I want to thank you for your long and distinguished service to this country. I also want to thank you for your time today. We appreciate it. Before we get to questions, I'd like to take a few minutes and highlight some context that we think is relevant for today's conversation.
(01:18:23)
President Trump had a longstanding personal relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. That is not a secret, it is well documented, and I think the public and everyone in Congress understands that at this point. President Trump does not like talking about his longstanding personal relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, I think we've all seen that as well. On November 12th of last year, Oversight Committee Democrats released emails that were obtained from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein. In one email from 2011, Epstein said to Ghislaine Maxwell that President Trump was, quote, "That dog that hasn't barked," and that an unnamed victim, quote, "spent hours at my house with him." In another email from 2019, Epstein wrote that, quote "Of course, he," referring to President Trump, "knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop."
(01:19:16)
I'd like to enter, as Minority Exhibit A, Oversight Democrats' press release from November 12th, 2025, titled House Oversight Committee Releases Jeffrey Epstein Email Correspondence Raising Questions About White House Coverup of Epstein Files, and that includes both the emails that I just mentioned.
(01:19:38)
There was a fair amount of public attention on those emails, and two days later, President Trump asked the Department of Justice to investigate Epstein's relationships with yourself, Larry Summers, Reid Hoffman, and JPMorganChase. You are, of course, a former Democratic president of the United States. Notably, President Trump did not include any Republicans in his demands. Later that day, Attorney General Pam Bondi posted on social media that the US attorney for the Southern District of New York would comply with President Trump's directive and take the lead on the investigation.
(01:20:19)
I would like to enter, as Minority Exhibit B, Attorney General Bondi's post on X, which also includes President Trump's post on Truth Social. It is well understood that you had a personal relationship with Mr. Epstein, and we will talk about that today, but the events I just described color our perspective on the conversation. It appears as if you and other Democratic figures have been targeted by President Donald Trump in an attempt to distract the American people from his own longstanding relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. And if that were true, it would not be the first time that President Trump has targeted his political enemies under the guise of law enforcement. This deposition is occurring in the context of unprecedented weaponization of the Department of Justice by Donald Trump. You may have a perspective on this of your own, so before we get started, I just want to give you the opportunity to share any thoughts you might have on that subject.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:21:28):
I think I'll let you ask me some questions and then maybe at the end I'll say something.
Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
That sounds fine. Thank you.
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I'd like to start our conversation with a few foundational questions, so we can just set the record straight from the very beginning. With respect to your relationship with Mr. Epstein, did you ever, at any point during your interactions with Jeffrey Epstein, know about the sexual abuse that he was committing against minors and young women?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:21:54):
No.
Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
Have you ever engaged in sexual activity with a person introduced to you by Jeffrey Epstein?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:22:02):
No.
Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
With respect to your relationship with Ms. Ghislaine Maxwell, did you ever, at any point during your interactions with Ghislaine Maxwell, know about the sexual abuse that she committed and facilitated against minors and young women?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:22:19):
No.
Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
Have you ever engaged in sexual activity with a person introduced to you by Ghislaine Maxwell?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:22:25):
No.
Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
Have you ever, at any point, visited Jeffrey Epstein's former estate on Little Saint James island in the US Virgin Islands?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:22:39):
No.
Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
In February of last year, Attorney General Pam Bondi said on Fox News that you traveled on Mr. Epstein's plane, quote, "Because it supposedly had a bed in there where Jeffrey Epstein had young girls." I will ask you, did you fly on Mr. Epstein's plane because it had a bed where Jeffrey Epstein had young girls?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:23:00):
No.
Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
Are there any other accusations that have been made against you with respect to Mr. Epstein that you'd like to address before we get started with some chronological questions?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:23:11):
Well, I think you pretty well covered it. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:23:17):
Thank you. I will ask a series of chronological questions. I'd like to try to create one clear, chronological record. Some of that might be repetitive from what you've already talked about. I will try to keep that to a minimum. All of these questions are from a long time ago. If you don't recall anything about what I'm asking, just let me know.
(01:23:38)
Starting with events before and during your presidency, the earliest known link that we're aware of between yourself and Mr. Epstein is that he made a pair of campaign contributions to you in 1992. There was a $1,000 contribution to your presidential election committee in January 1992, and another $1,000 in June to the Clinton/Gore General Election Compliance Fund. I imagine a lot of folks donate $1,000 to your campaign. Do you have any specific recollection or knowledge of those particular contributions?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:24:12):
No, I think this is the first time I've ever known that.
Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
Thank you. That takes us into your time as president. You were elected in November of 1992 and inaugurated in January of 1993. Mr. Epstein visited the White House a number of times while you were in office. Our understanding is that Mr. Epstein visited the White House 17 times between 1993 and 1995. I am not going to walk you through each of those visits, I'm just going to break them into categories. I think first, with respect to the only Epstein visit where it is publicly known that you either met Mr. Epstein or had some interaction was the White House Historical Association reception that you mentioned earlier. I know there's a photograph that you mentioned of yourself and Mr. Epstein meeting. Am I right that you have no specific recollection of meeting Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell at that event?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:25:08):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
Okay. With respect to the other 16 times that Mr. Epstein came and went, and that spanned 1993 to 1995, am I right that you have no specific recollection of meeting Mr. Epstein any of those times?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:25:25):
No, I don't think I did, and I don't know who he saw.
Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
It's been publicly reported that in March of 1995, there was a fundraiser in Palm Beach that you attended and that Mr. Epstein also attended. Other guests reportedly included Jimmy Buffett and investor Ron Perlman, who may have hosted the event at his home. Do you have any specific recollection of that event?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:26:00):
I remember going there in 1995. I have now seen the picture with Jeffrey Epstein and Jimmy Buffett. I recognize Jimmy Buffett, he was a longtime friend of mine. He performed for me twice in my second term as president, and we were friends for the rest of his life. But that's it. I don't know if he knew Mr. Epstein. I have no idea what that picture was. I didn't remember it.
Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
And so is it right that you have no specific recollection of meeting Mr. Epstein?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:26:41):
No, I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
At that fundraiser, just for the transcript.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:26:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
I'd like to introduce, as Minority Exhibit C, an article from The Daily Beast titled Jeffrey Epstein Visited Clinton White House Multiple Times in Early '90s. That article is dated July 24th, 2019.
Speaker 5 (01:27:04):
[inaudible 01:27:05].
Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
Once you receive it, I'll just direct you to page eight of the article that you're about to receive.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:27:10):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (01:27:10):
There's one for David.
Speaker 4 (01:27:32):
I'll give you a moment to look that note over and then I'll read the relevant portion into the record. Page eight.
Speaker 5 (01:27:42):
Eight. [inaudible 01:27:43].
William Jefferson Clinton (01:27:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:27:52):
[inaudible 01:27:52].
William Jefferson Clinton (01:27:58):
Okay.
(01:27:58)
Yep.
Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
So, you can see here that on April 27th, 1995, Lynn Forester, now Lynn Forester de Rothschild, sounds like served on a few committees or boards under your administration, wrote you a note. I'll just read part of that note out loud. "Dear Mr. President, it was a pleasure to see you recently at Senator Kennedy's house. There was too much to discuss and too little time. Using my 15 seconds of access to discuss Jeffrey Epstein and currency stabilization, I neglected to talk to you about a topic near and dear to my heart, namely affirmative action and the future." And that's the end of the relevant portion. I just wanted to ask whether you have any specific recollection of this note or of your conversation with Ms. Forester.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:28:45):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
As far as you can remember, at this point in the middle of 1995, how would you have characterized your relationship with Mr. Epstein?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:29:05):
It would be virtually non-existent.
Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
Do you recall any other interactions that occurred between yourself and Mr. Epstein during your time in office that have not already been mentioned today?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:29:23):
No. I think I told you everything I know.
Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
In October of 1999, toward the end of your time in office, we know that Epstein contributed $20,000 to the First Lady's joint fundraising account. Would you have any memory or knowledge of that particular contribution?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:29:48):
No. Was that for a White House related thing?
Speaker 5 (01:29:50):
No. Joint fundraising, he means the Senate.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:29:52):
Oh. No, I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (01:29:59):
Okay. I am going to move to the years after your presidency. I will do this in chronological order as well. Your second term ended in January of 2001. In December of 2001, the New York Post reported that you and Ms. Maxwell had dinner at a New York City restaurant called Nello's. Do you have any specific recollection of that dinner?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:30:27):
No. Did... How did I know? I didn't. Nor do I remember the article.
Speaker 4 (01:30:37):
So, moving into 2002, you touched on this in the previous round, it sounds like there were two meetings. We don't have exact dates for them, but one of them was at your office in Harlem with Mr. Epstein, the other was at Mr. Epstein's home in New York City. Could you just repeat for us, what do you recall about each meeting, maybe starting with your office in Harlem?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:31:01):
I just remember that sometime in 2002, I think, that he paid a visit and he had become... I think it was either after or just before we started the flights, but he obviously was going to be a serious support of the foundation and I think he played a visit. I was flattered he wanted to see my office. I liked it.
Speaker 4 (01:31:32):
And then the meeting at his home in New York City, did I hear you say in the previous hour that Mr. Epstein was not actually there?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:31:40):
I said that when I wrote my book and talked about it, and when I've talked about it in the past, I've always... I realized I talked as if he were there, and of course he was there. And I started trying to picture the nice man on the staff that showed me around, and I couldn't... I don't... Now, I'm just being honest, I don't remember whether he was there or not. He could have been there, but I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
As far as you can recall, would the purpose of that meeting also have been related to Mr. Epstein's support of your work through his plane, for example?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:32:17):
Yeah. The reason we went by, regardless of who was there, was that my staff had... We finished an event in New York City at a place, and Lord knows I may have done since then, I don't remember what it was for, but it was in New York City. And my staff aid said, "You know, we're only a couple of blocks from Epstein's house. It's a converted elementary school. He's very proud of it. And I think it'd be a nice thing to do, since it's early, you could just go by and take a look at it." So, that's what we did.
Speaker 4 (01:33:02):
Do you recall seeing anything or anyone in his home that was suspicious or reflected abnormally young women or girls?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:33:13):
No, the only people I saw there that night were staff, and him if he was there, I just don't remember.
Speaker 4 (01:33:20):
Do you recall seeing any images of young girls or women at Epstein's home?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:33:27):
No.
Speaker 4 (01:33:31):
So, moving to some of the travel on Mr. Epstein's plane, and we have specific dates for a lot of that, I'd like to move through that chronology of known trips, just one at a time, in order. To begin, flight logs indicate that on February 9th of 2002, and we'll give you the logs, you flew on Mr. Epstein's plane from Miami to Westchester County, New York, with Epstein, Maxwell, and some others, and you mentioned this flight in the previous round as well. I will introduce that flight log as Minority Exhibit D. And we'll give you a moment to receive that and take a look at it.
Speaker 5 (01:34:31):
Is this one page?
Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
It is one page exactly.
Speaker 5 (01:34:35):
Excuse me, please, Mr. President.
Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
And the flight in question, the leftmost column has a number nine on it, and you could see your name at the beginning in one of the middle columns.
Speaker 5 (01:34:45):
Excuse me?
Speaker 4 (01:34:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:34:46):
At the top, it says 15. Are you talking about a date? Could you just-
Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
Yeah, the one on February 9th.
Speaker 5 (01:34:54):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:34:54):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (01:34:57):
Think this one.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:35:03):
Yeah, I do see it.
Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
Great. I'll just ask some specific questions. As an initial question, and we can see it here, you had a Secret Service detail that traveled with you after you left office, presumably still does. Is that correct?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:35:20):
Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 4 (01:35:21):
And did that detail accompany you on all trips that you took with Mr. Epstein?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:35:27):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
For this trip from Miami to Westchester, first, just do you recall the circumstances of the trip?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:35:36):
No, I was down there and I was coming home. I don't remember why I was down there.
Speaker 4 (01:35:45):
In terms of who was present on the flight, and we'll do this exercise with the other trips as well, are you able to make out from the initials here, maybe who is who? In other words, I can see your name and I can see four Secret Service, and then from there we have two males, one female, I think Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell, and then SK and AP. Do you have any recollection of who any of those folks may have been?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:36:15):
No. I just don't remember, I'm sorry, I don't... And the initials, they don't mean anything to me.
Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
This isn't a record from yours, this is their record.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:36:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
In February in 2002, so the same month as this flight, it was reported that you and Ms. Maxwell were seated together at some type of charity gala in New York. I don't know what the charity was or where exactly the event occurred. Do you have any recollection of what I'm referring to?
Speaker 5 (01:36:51):
Could you state the date again, sir?
Speaker 4 (01:36:52):
In the same month, February 2002, and I don't have an exact date.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:36:56):
What was the report then?
Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
Simply that you and Ms. Maxwell were seated together at a charity gala in New York.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:37:03):
Wow. I have no recollection of it, but it could have happened.
Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
Heading into March of 2002, so the following month, we have a series of international travel, and the first of those trips indicates that on March 19th and 21st of 2002, you flew on Mr. Epstein's plane from JFK to London and back with Mr. Epstein, Ms. Maxwell, and some others. We will introduce those flight logs as Minority Exhibit E and go through the same exercise.
Speaker 5 (01:37:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 9 (01:37:52):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (01:37:52):
Thank you. [inaudible 01:37:57].
Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
And that's the 19th and the 21st.
Speaker 5 (01:37:57):
The 19th and the 21st?
Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
Yes. Down toward the bottom of the page.
Speaker 5 (01:38:12):
Oh, hold on, sir.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:38:12):
Was this a flight to London?
Speaker 4 (01:38:22):
Yes.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:38:24):
Yeah, this says we had 10 Secret Service agents.
Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
So, I guess just to start with, do you recall the circumstances or the reason for this trip?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:38:36):
And this was when?
Speaker 4 (01:38:37):
This was March of 2002.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:38:40):
I don't, but bear in mind, there was a lot of stuff going on. The India in the late January, four days after I left office, had a horrible earthquake, and lots of people died. And I called the prime minister of India, Mr. Vajpayee, who belongs to the current leader's party, but was much less uber nationalist, and I asked him if I could help. And he said yes. He said, "I have the money and organization to fix the big cities, but not the smaller towns. And we need schools, we need hospitals, we need all the stuff rebuilt. Will you help?" So, that's the first thing I undertook to do, even before the AIDS thing, after I left the White House. So, I was there. So, by March of 2002, the next year, we were still working on that, and then the South Asian tsunami hit in December. So, I was doing all this stuff, and also trying to get set up at home too. So, that's why it sounds unusual for me to have 10 Secret Service agents, but I must have been going to several stops.
Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
And is it the same for you when you look at some of these names? I can make out the name Naomi Campbell. Do you have any recollection of Naomi Campbell being on this flight?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:40:31):
Naomi, when we went to Europe once, I think she went on one, but she was a friend of Doug's and that's what I remember. Let me see. Yep. And Jeffrey, Ghislaine. I don't know who the other people are.
Speaker 4 (01:40:55):
Looks like Doug Band is listed there and that-
William Jefferson Clinton (01:40:58):
Yeah, he's there, but SK, I don't know who that is.
Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
Okay, great. Thank you.
(01:41:07)
Moving to May of 2002, just two months after the one we just looked at, flight logs show a series of flights around Asia. Got five flights, including Hong Kong, China, Singapore, and Thailand. I'll introduce the flight logs for that trip, just take a look at it together, as Minority-
Speaker 5 (01:41:25):
We haven't gotten it.
Speaker 4 (01:41:26):
... Exhibit F. You still need it, right?
Speaker 5 (01:41:48):
We do. We do need it. Thank you. Oh, great. Thank you very much. And you said what?
Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
So, those are from the
Speaker 5 (01:41:59):
Let me just highlight that one, sir.
Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
... 22nd to the 25th there.
Speaker 11 (01:42:01):
Let me just highlight that for a second. 22nd. And you're saying each one until the 25th?
Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
Yeah. The first one lists the former President, and then four in a row after that lists same as above, so it's the same group of folks for about five flights there.
Speaker 11 (01:42:21):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (01:42:22):
So, same question: this trip to Asia, do you have a recollection of the circumstances of how the trip came about?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:42:30):
Yeah, that was 2002, right?
Speaker 4 (01:42:32):
Yes.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:42:39):
When was the tsunami? Was it at the end of 2002 or the end of 2001?
Speaker 4 (01:42:49):
That, I'm not sure of.
Speaker 11 (01:42:52):
Just to the best of your memory, you have to share what you know.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:42:54):
Anyway, to the best of my memory, this was a trip to raise funds to organize our health network in Asia, which was basically designed to deal with AIDS, but also, I was heavily involved in the reconstruction of India after the earthquake there and was asked to do it by the prime minister and later by the UN. So I was involved with that.
Speaker 4 (01:43:34):
Do you have any recollection of who these individuals on the flight were? For example, there are a few female names. I think one is Janice, one is Jessica. When you look at the log, do you have any recollection of who's who?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:43:49):
No. She may have been a flight attendant, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:43:54):
Do you have any recollection of the flights themselves?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:43:59):
Not the flight themselves.
Speaker 11 (01:44:06):
Of this particular flight?
Speaker 4 (01:44:07):
This group of flights.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:44:11):
I remember we met several stops and you've mentioned them, and we're going there, but that's all I know.
Speaker 4 (01:44:18):
To the best of your recollection, whether with respect to the flights or the trip itself, did you ever witness or become aware of sexual abuse of any kind?
William Jefferson Clinton (01:44:27):
No.
Speaker 4 (01:44:32):
We then have logs showing two flights in July of 2002, and I will introduce those as Minority Exhibit G. Give you a moment to receive those.
Speaker 11 (01:44:51):
What was the prior one?
Speaker 4 (01:44:53):
Prior one would've been F, and that was the May 2002 flight one.
William Jefferson Clinton (01:44:59):
Where's F?
Speaker 11 (01:45:00):
No, I put F on that, but I thought that was... Sorry, so you-